No right way to play. Enjoy yourself.

I play Insane Roguelike, but it takes me months between wins, trying flat out.

I think I just like watching myself suffer.

Well, it tells me that you should be using my Nur Kit addon, created out of precisely the sort of frustration you describe.

Nur is a completely optional zone + it spawns water bubbles you can use to replenish air. You don't need a waterbreathing tool for it (also modding out a problem instead of using ingame tools to solve it is the most boring approach known to men)

Completely is accurate. You don't need to do it, and I'm really curious what you might think a player gains from it that will help them progress in the game. You can access the item vault there if you are a donator, but using vaulted items is expressly not the way the game is intended to be played and if anyone feels they need vaulted items to succeed, they really should spend more time mastering the basics (how to engage tactically, which tools are available universally and when they are useful, when to abandon a fight as a lost cause, which talents and effects to look for when inspecting an enemy and whether they are particularly debilitating to your current character, how and when to prioritize certain stats on gear, etc.).

To the original point of the post, playing on Adventure mode is fine, but if your aspiration is to beat the game on rougelike, then you should play on rougelike to reinforce the habits that will actually make that possible. Learning which zones are worth skipping would be a good one, for a start.

I came from other roguelike games like DCSS, ADOM, etc, so it felt natural for me to play on roguelike and I get more enjoyment out of the risk to die, I don't have that many wins, still working on my insane difficulty win, and I use 0 mods (except the dlc), this style of play may not be for everyone though and I think you should play whatever way makes you have the most fun, for example DCSS I have 2 wins out of 4265 games. I am pretty terrible, but I still love playing it even knowing I will probably loose the vast majority of games... that however is not for everyone. as for the lake nur thing, maybe my way of thinking is crazy but I have never actually used water breathing for it, I always save an item if I get one with waterbreathing but I have never actually switched to it during lake nur, and I am pretty sure I have never died in Nur, I have died to the boss after it before though.

Hi there. There's a lot salty people in the comments here. I just thought I'd drop some tips on how to get past your lake Nur issues.

The zone is really not very friendly. It has pretty abysmal loot most of the time (I've been surprised, but loot isn't what I come here for). The main purpose is generally to use the vault. The storage option is... there. But really, it's mostly pointless. Most of your inventory can probably be sold since the majority of items won't be things you will ever come back to use. Managing inventory I think is a better way of handling it than just coming here to drop stuff.

As for the vault, I always consider what I even have in my vault. I don't have a lot of inventory space and I generally only save items for when I want to do a big meme run. If there's nothing in the vault you need, I'd recommend just putting off visiting lake Nur until you're so strong the difficulty of the place is trivial. Coming here early is dangerous.

You can get around needing underwater items entirely here. Some classes have abilities that really help out. Some don't. There are items that can help too. If you -need- items or certain skills to get through it safely, don't try to go before you have them! Burning Crystal is amazing. Omniscience does the trick. Anything that can reveal the map will let you scout ahead for the exits. If you want to make your life easier without items, just relying on water bubbles, do not auto rest or auto explore. Both of those actions will make you wait longer than you should in most cases. Don't rest on bubbles. If you're at full air and you rest a turn on bubbles, you're wasting the uses. Moving manually lets you skip exploring every tile so you can focus on exploring the big spots, conserving air and making you more likely to find the staircase quicker.

If you're really wanting to vault something, I'd still recommend just waiting until you've beaten the game to do it, or maybe finishing the zone off after you come back from the East. Relying on the vault to win is a bad habit to get into. Relying on it for memes is the best use if you ask me :)

That said, don't forget to check your shops for items. Breathe underwater and items that make you act like an undead are pretty commonly sold in shops. If you haven't been checking, star getting in the habit! The shops add new items for sale on level 10,20,30,40,and 50.

There's also the ability to learn all the lore from previous characters. That's quite helpful for certain **no spoilers** things that require tracking down the various items of lore and waiting for random drops to get them to you.

Wow, that's a lot of comments on my little post.

I've just beaten the game, and out of all things, even on Roguelike. My frustration with Nur has subsided, it's all much better now. :)

Thank you. Not sure I'm quite ready to faff about with Adventurer yet. I have so much unlocking to do ;)

Yeah, resisting chests and such is SUCH an important skill. For that winning run I skipped every single vault from the Prides onwards. Admittedly, I had (what I though was) really good gear, so that was easy. That Elemental Fury ring alone probably made the game so much easier. No need to risk death at that point.

Skipping chests is cheating. Noone remembers a coward. /s

I always go straight in water breathing or not. I think I have one death in all of my many deaths I can attribute to drowning.

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