First of all, I apologize for my bad English... I'm not a native English speaker...I just want to share some thoughts about the chat system.

The chat added in b21 is pretty good idea...but i think there are some ways to enhance it)
1)Well, when someone in channel accomplish an achievement a message like this can be displayed:
%ChannelName%%Name% had achieved %Achievement%!Congratulations!
2)Of course, if someone in channel beat the game the message should be displayed. An example:
%ChannelName%%CharacterName% had just beaten the game!
3)When the tough boss is killed by someone the message should be displayed too:
%ChannelName%%CharacterName% had just killed %BossName%! What a battle!
4)Character & Items linkers.
It would be great if when you write in chat with space button, and the shift+right click the item in inventory it would link to the chat, so when other players click on the item in chat the tooltip will be displayed.(People who had played some MMORPG should be familiar with this feature)
Well, the character linker should work the same way, except it adds to the chat with combination of buttons...like shift+C or something... and when the others click on it, the character sheet would be displayed.
5)Commands. /w(Whisper to someone) /afk /who ...and many more

Thanks for reading this mess) Please comment if you like this ideas or not.

(Dunno if i should place this entry on forum or here...)

This is just a mod.
This is also a copy pasta with minor edits to make it correct
You probably won't appreciate this but I do not care.

This modifies the "Rogue" class.

 It gives +20 to all stats.
 It gives all powers. 
 You still have to learn individual powers but you can learn EVERY power.(this includes powers not normally available, including NPC powers) See Note 1
 Talent mastery is 10.
 All Talent Categories are known.
 It also gives you a "Rod of Recall" & an "Orb of Scrying" on birth. See Note 2
 You get 700 unused stats, 600 unused talents/generics, 150 unused talent types.
 You get an "Infusion: Wild" that has a cool-down of 1, lasts 900 turns, reduces damage taken by 900%, and Cures EVERYTHING. See Note 3
 You get a Life rating of 100, a Mana rating of 100, a Mana Regen of 900, and a Max Life of 500.

Below not implemented in this version

This mod also adds some files to the techniques folder because when I was digging I found that I was getting some errors because some files could not be found but were referenced in the default game.
NPCs could access these correctly but I could not.

Above not implemented in this version

So I fixed that.

The only files that this modifies are the files:

 "..\game\modules\tome\data\birth\classes\rogue.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\data\talents\misc\npcs.lua"

Below not implemented in this version

The files added are:

 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\other\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\technique\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\wild-gift\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\spell\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\chronomancy\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\corruption\other.lua"

Above not implemented in this version

Installation (Place Step 0 wherever you like)

 0:Do nothing.

 1:Unzip the file using a program that can decompress 7zip (.7z) files.

 2:Then extract/copy the entire contents of the file to your T.o.M.E. installation directory.

 3:Overwrite anything it asks you to.[back ups of the original files I have already made and included in the install as-of "version = {3,9,21}")]

 4:Start up the game and select whatever race you like. (I like to use Human/Cornac)

 5:Select the Rogue Class and Sub-class.

 6:Play the game.

 7:Have fun.

 8:Remember that all credit goes to Nicolas Casalini/"DarkGod" and that I just ctrl+c & ctrl+v really good.

Download Link
http://www.4shared.com/file/obH5WQAK/MyRogueMod.html
The above file is the same download link as the previous version but the contents have been updated

Note 1
Some NPC powers cause instant death and/or may not work/cannot be seen.
This is because I didn't add some tags to the rogue that the talent looks for.
For example, "Invoke Tentacle" may not work because I couldn't find a NPC with the tag "GRGGLCK_TENTACLE" and since I could not see the correct context to put the tag in, I didn't put it in.

Note 2
I did this because of a bug (that I could not figure out how to fix) from which you don't get the "Rod of Recall" drop.
I also did this because of a bug that when you birth as a Human Cornac Rogue (with the mod) you don't get a "Orb of Scrying" and have to drag your items to Elise.
I found that annoying.
So to fix them both I force the game to make you spawn with them.

Note 3
You also spawn with a default "Infusion: Wild" & a default "Infusion: Regeneration".
You can get rid of those by right clicking them on the "display talents quick page"

As promised here comes T-Engine4 and ToME4 beta21 ! See http://te4.org/

Many things in this release, making life easier, balancing, online profile, ....

I am sorry this release too a bit longer than planned and has less stuff than planned, the profile & smooth shadow took longer than expected, but then, they are neat! :)

 

Please note: if you do not use an online profile the game will forget your achievements and unlocks. This can be fixed by renaming your home/T-Engine/4.0/profiles/default/ directory to home/T-Engine/4.0/profiles/offline/

 

Don't forget to help ToME by with donations( http://te4.org/donate ) !

 

Release highlights:

• Many fixes
• New starting zones and town for the Dwarves (more races to follow)
• Smooth FOV shadow: instead of a blocky rectangular look, the seen->unseen transitions will be .. smooth
• Reworked the online profile system. The game now connects to a specific server, this will someday enable some very fun stuff, and for now this adds an ingame chat
• Many balancing moves (Cursed should feel less godlike at high level, alchemist got more burst damage, Vim using classes get much easier time managing Vim)
• New dialogs UI
• Upgraded tactical AI. Things are gettign quite smart, your summons will try to avoid breathing on you, your foes will assert your weak resistances and use that to their advantage, ...
• The Sher'Tul fortress gained a new function!
• Many many many more lore to be found and flesh up the world of Eyal. Total lore now counts over 28 thousands words!
• Armour and APR working changed

Expanded changelist:

• Replaces Wildfire's Combust and Dancing Fires with Burning Wake and Cleansing Flames
• Rod of Recall is not an arcane item anymore
• Elves should get escort quests again
• The (many) lore of Reknor now correctly generates, go read it!
• Talent levelup screen separates next level info more clearly
• Upon arrival in the Eidolon plane player ressources are filled up (or down acordingly)
• Mindslayer auras do not work on the worldmap
• Left click talent does not work on the worldmap
• The orc prides can scale to higher level
• Resting when all ressources are at maximun will trigger resting for cooldowns
• Vaults will block detection again
• Zigur will not offer the antimagic quest when it is already done
• Refusing antimagic quest will not prevent changing your mind later
• New game icon
• The Orb auto ids blue items too
• Bill can not be cut off from the level
• Escort portals should be again visible in ascii mode
• Scatter Shot can not bypass stun immunity
• Vor Armoury will not kill its own wyrms
• The lumberjacks are back in the lumberjack town
• Added Zigur lore
• Automated error reporting within the game (module independant)
• Staff of Absorption is now two handed
• Kinetic Aura spikes are now beams, and Thermal Aura spikes are now cones
• All auras can be deactivated without triggering a spike by targeting yourself
• Boosted Conduit damage multiplier given by additional talent points
• Increased crit boost from Perfect Control
• Telekinetic Smash applies Conduit damage if Conduit is sustained.
• Will and cunning affect damage and accuracy of Telekinetic Smash
• No more than two shields and two auras can be sustained at once.
• Highly Trained Mind info text changed
• Conduit only affects the telekinetically wielded weapon
• Leeches talents get reduced cooldowns with additional talent points.
• Mindslayers get less health per level
• Reshaping talents nerfed
• Shattering Charge automatically spikes Kinetic Shield
• Nerfed shield spikes and shield efficiency.
• Clarified shield talent info texts.
• Matter is Energy regens energy every turn for X turns
• Mindhook now cancels and explains why if you use it on a target out of range
• Corona will deactivate when it tries to fire a bolt without enough energy
• Sapphires now have the correct tile
• Fix inscriptions on the online chardumps
• Zigur shops now only sell items powered by nature or craftmanship
• Zigur shops now sell much better loot
• Stores now stock much better quality loot and will update with the player level (within limits of the towns)
• Shaloren start with runes instead of infusions
• Enabled selling again, gems still sell at a high price, other stuff less (as before)
• Most stores have much better stuff to buy
• Reduced drops
• Derth has been transformed!
• Running will not pop up the annoying dialog anymore
• NPCs that can not breath under water will not be generated under water
• Two handed weapons say so in their descriptions
• Most town stores respect their town factions now
• New *awesome* farportal tiles
• Temporal Wardens now start with the bow tree instead of utility archery
• Replaced Avoid Fate with a new talent Foresight
• Moved Perfect Aim to the Temporal Archery tree and replaced it with Daja Vu
• Moved Celerity to the Speed Control tree
• Moved Entropic Field to the energy tree
• Dimensional Step now gains more range with talent points
• Phase Shot is now a single target temporal shot that bypasses terrain and other obstacles
• Quantum Feed and Strength of Purpose now add some Physical and Spell saves
• Damage Smearing duration increased
• Echos from the Past now does much less Echo damage and some base Temporal damage and has a larger cone starting out
• Jumpgate now has a range attached to it rather then working everywhere on the level
• Balanced range and cooldown on several Paradox Mage spells
• Increased the duration on Time Skip slightly
• Particles scale correctly with map size
• New smooth FOV shading (aka fog of war). Instead of being squares it will smooth transitions between seens and unseen tiles (only works with opengl framebuffers enabled)
• Cuirass of the Thronesmen now has a fatigue value
• Summertide Phial also lites the player's tile
• Some zones now have a (purely cosmetic) day/night cycle
• The game now starts at 11h instead of midnight
• Onetime worldmap encounters can not be dismissed by a missclick
• Double greater egos have their own special color (because player love colored loot!)
• Armour and Defense are shown into actor tooltips
• Channel Staff does fire damage with fire staves
• New melee oriented Temporal Warden tree: Spacetime Folding
• Several Chronomancy abilities are now sustains
• Anomalies can no longer occurr in the Eidolon Plane
• Time Skip and Borrowed Time swapped positions in the Time Travel tree
• Corona should no longer hit the player
• Retribution description clearer
• Price of ego ammo is now more correctly aligned with other egos
• Cant nager npcs by not doing them any damage
• Deep Wound correctly gives credit to the attacker
• Fixed Disruption Shield while silenced
• Fixed summon control ending while the player is dead
• Tidal Wave can not be recast before it ends
• Fix Smoke Bomb when cast on the player
• Arcane Combat and Shadow Combat will not trigger if not enough mana, this preventing disabled other spells because of those
• Archers and Slingers now have the passtive combat training by default and the activet one can be learnt
• Dual Arrows cost 0 stamina
• Aim, Rapid Shot, Heave and Slow Motion sustain cost reduced
• Critical Shot replaced by Relaxed Shot, which replenishes stamina
• Halflings are really not all nice people, they can now be corrupters
• All Summoner's summons now inherit APR, stun/blind/pin/confusion immunity
• All Summoner's summons now are not limited to 100/stats
• Summoner's Jelly now absorbs 10% of all incomming damage and uses it to replenish it's master's equilibrium
• Summoner's Helly summon cost reduced
• Fix arena zone music
• Optimized low level lua IO code (which was my mistake), it should load faster now
• Tweaked garbage collector settings, it should be better for people who had huge lag spikes
• Alchemist Infusion talents now also turn all fire damage done into their elements, thus making Fire Alchemy much more viable
• Unnatural Body: fixed (not percentage based) life gain, 50% global healing penalty
• Seethe: gives more hate, shorter cooldown
• Dominate: Increased odds of success
• Life Leech: fixed (not percentage based) life gain, maximum total life gain per turn
• Rampage: Shortened duration
• Doomed: Increased damage for many talents to speed the pace of the game.
• UI elements have faint animations
• Nagas got new tiles
• Profile system changed. There is now two profiles "offline" and "online". If the game module validates then data is saved into the "online" profile, if a connection is available (and account logged in), it will sync with the server. Otherwise data gets put into the "offline" profile. Things like unlocks and achievements will be loaded from both profiles when module is invalid and only from the "online" profile when it is valid. This means that is you have no internet connection you will play from the "offline" profile. If you have a connection you will play from the online profile, even if you are not logged in. (and it will sync later if you do). Data from "tained" module versions will never "bleed" online but data from online will always "bleed" offline, so you get the best of both worlds. This might sound a bit complex but it should Just Work(tm)
• Changed the main game fonts, test them out!
• Unique tile for the Spellblaze Crystal boss
• Can not loose double resonating diamonds
• Linaniil can not appear in the ID
• Eruan got nice palmtrees tiles
• Renamed duplicate technique trees
• Items without resistances wont sometimes show a resist line
• Added 25 new room shapes by burb lulls
• Switched Shield Wall and Repulsion
• Shield Wall now reduces damage done by 20% instead of reducing attack/damage by flat values, making it more usefull at lower levels
• Armour values are no more flat reductions of damage, instead armor deducts a % of the incomming damage, this means that super high armour values can not cheese out some npcs but no npc can cheese out the player either
• APR follows the same idea as armour
• Backup guardian are correctly scaled in insane mode
• Fix critical power modifiers
• Vim now automatically increases when a foe is killed by 1+WIL/10; making Willpower useful for Corrupters
• Anorithils escorts teach the Light tree instead of Hymns
• Bathe in Light now also lites up the affected area
• Chant of Light increases lite radius
• Reduce bonus from hymn of perseverance
• Massive talents update to include more tactical info for the AI, big thanks to Yufra
• Engine change: friendlyfire is now selffire, and friendlyfire defines if your *allies* are hit
• Tactical AI using NPCs will be less likely to keep hiding in corridors, they'll get into LOS to try to pound you (but then you can thus pound them too)
• Tactical AI now has parameters to avoid friendly fire
• Imporved the effect of Blood Sacrifice
• Switched Drain and Blood Sacrifice
• Killing a creature with a vim using talent will refund that talent's cost
• Corruptors now start with Drain instead of Blood Sacrifice and Blood Spray instead of Blood Grasp
• Added new lore: scintillaing caves, a tale of zigur, and a complete history of the orc race (found in the Prides)
• Added lore to the Maze; archmages, take heed of the warning!
• New lore to Kor'Pul
• New lore: Spellhunter's guide
• Melee attacks are now routed throught a talent (invisible to players) so that the tactical AI can prioritize it correctly
• Tactical AI using party members can be given talent priorities to use (or disabled from using some talents completly)
• New lore, myth of creation for humans & elves (only the respective race can find it)
• Added many new artifacts, some specific for antimagic users
• New bow artifact
• Undeads can not be Wilders
• Nature's Call summoned bear now has a tile
• Rogues now start with Trap Mastery
• Players with Trap Mastery would do well to investigate the maze, they might find something interresting down there
• The Sher'Tul Fortress gained a new function: talk to the shadow butler and gain the Transmogrification Chest which is both a way to power the fortress for further functions and a way to turn unwanted items into gold without having to come back to a shop.
• Added special lore inside the Infinite Dungeon campaign
• Actor:takeHit() also returns damage actualy taken
• Rearranged the Mental Discipline tree
• Buffed Highly Trained Mind
• Made Mindslayer auras less costly to sustain
• Use on_pre_use for disallowing Mindslayer shields and auras
• Shields now apply their reduction to incoming damage before resists
• Mindhook cooldown reduced, and reduces further with talent level
• Telos's Staff Crystal has wielder properties that match its imbue properties
• Disruption Shield can never be negative
• Stores refill after killing a boss
• Removed old unused NumberBox TextBox Button ButtonList classes
• Dialogs UI update
• Lore found is displayed in a parchment like dialog, sometimes with bloodstains!
• Merged the two parts of the troll and necromancer poems into one
• New dwarven starting zones and town
• Right click on the minimap will now scroll the map
• Gaining the achievement for Wildfire, Storm, Ice and Stone talents while playing an archmage will teach them to the current archamge
• New lore to the Rhaloren Camp and the Sandworm lair
• New lore: myth of creation by the halflings (only findable by halflings)
• New lore: correspondance between two .. great .. adventurers
• The fall of Zigur quest now rewards Hexes instead of Vim tree
• New lore: how to become a Necromancer
• When ran for the first time the game will maximze as much as possible instead of using 800x600
• Store UI now uses teh same method as inventory: double columns with tooltips
• Actors now start with 150 Paradox so new players have more leeway before they start blowing themselves up
• Failure, Backfire, and Anomalies don't start happening until 200, 300 and 400 paradox
• Added gamelog messages for when paradox thresholds are crossed.
• The Dark Crypt counter now is 20 turns instead of 30 but each time an acolyte is killed the counter will go up
• Antimagic users rejoince! Movement infusions have been buffed, they now provide a "Lightning Speed"-like effect, granting very high movement speed for a few turns and thus can be used as escape mechanism
• Currently equiped comparaison tooltip working again
• New lore to the ancient elven ruins
• Fix the extra project tile bug and updates a few talents that were using canProject incorrectly
• Adds support for damagetype/resistance checks to the tactical AI
• Added cut_immune to ghosts
• Fix some FOV errors in cones
• New tiles for some artifacts
• Fixed tannen tower, I think
• Explosion Expert now increases the damage done by the bomb if the affected zone is less than the theorical possible zone. AKA: firing it in small rooms or cooridors will make BIG BOOMS !
• Breaths and cone attacks can be targetted at any angle now
• Online profile system updated, the game is now connected to a special server
• Profile update now allows for inter-user chats, check out the new user chat pane, press ctrl+space to switch and space to talk
• Replacing inscriptions will keep existing keybind
• Ignore escape in text/numberboxes

Have fun!

I would like to thank all the people that already donated to ToME, it keeps me enthusiastic and happy to know that my players are enjoying the game enough to think it is worth giving money.

On that note I want to thank Canderel whom is the very first player to setup a recurring donation!
This is a very encouraging step for me and it is my hope many others will follow the lead.

Recurring donations simply are a subscription (that is handled by paypal) in which you define the amount to provide each month, automatically.

So again, thanks to you all and happy tom'ing!

Trap Tip 1: Exploding Disengagement

Here is how to use explosion traps properly even prior to getting Trap Launcher at level 12, without exploding yourself:

Disengage. If you start as a Cornac Rogue, you can use your freebie Category point to unlock the tree with Disengage in it, and spend your very first generic point on Disengage. Spend your first two class points on Trap Mastery.

When you've got a whole group of enemies right in front of you, and enough room behind you, lay an explosion trap on your own tile, and then disengage the enemy in front of you. Kaboom. And only the monsters burn!

Note that it's important to make sure before you lay the trap that you have enough stamina for both the trap and the disengage.

Unfortunately, only Cornac rogues really benefit from this technique, since rogues of other races have to wait until level 10 for disengage. It would be so wonderful if rogues started with that tree unlocked already.

Trap Tip 2: Catapult Archery!

When you've got a bunch of enemies coming at you, back into a hallway so they can come only from one direction, and lay a catapult in the opening. Stand behind it with your bow or sling ready. As the enemies approach, they'll be hurled back. While they're being pushed away from you, shoot them. Shoot them until the catapult goes away. Lay another one. Shoot some more! Also fun with wands.

Trap Tip 1: Exploding Disengagement

Here is how to use explosion traps properly even prior to getting Trap Launcher at level 12, without exploding yourself:

Disengage. If you start as a Cornac Rogue, you can use your freebie Category point to unlock the tree with Disengage in it, and spend your very first generic point on Disengage. Spend your first two class points on Trap Mastery.

When you've got a whole group of enemies right in front of you, and enough room behind you, lay an explosion trap on your own tile, and then disengage the enemy in front of you. Kaboom. And only the monsters burn!

Note that it's important to make sure before you lay the trap that you have enough stamina for both the trap and the disengage.

Unfortunately, only Cornac rogues really benefit from this technique, since rogues of other races have to wait until level 10 for disengage. It would be so wonderful if rogues started with that tree unlocked already.

Trap Tip 2: Catapult Archery!

When you've got a bunch of enemies coming at you, back into a hallway so they can come only from one direction, and lay a catapult in the opening. Stand behind it with your bow or sling ready. As the enemies approach, they'll be hurled back. While they're being pushed away from you, shoot them. Shoot them until the catapult goes away. Lay another one. Shoot some more! Also fun with wands.

-Orc cryomancers. Oh so very very much.
-The maze.
-Having to do the six orbs puzzle over and over again with each character.
-Hybrid classes. What kinds of stats is a Wyrmic or Arcane Blade supposed to put points in?
-Grinding because you've run out of safe-ish dungeons but won't dare enter Dreadfell until level 27 -- And even that's a bit risky.
-Being permanently confused because you're standing nest to a headless horror you can't get away from because you're confused.
-SKELETON. MASTER. ARCHERS.
-Reknor. The levels are too large to find anything, and are full of multicoloured dragons.
-Spending half an hour searching for the exit on a level and finding that it's about five squares away from the exit.
-When the minotaur fails to drop his awesome magic mapping gem. I forget what it's called but it's the best light I've ever found.
-When you're told that the staff of absorption got stolen even though you killed all the ambush.
-Having more than seven abilities.
-Enemies getting WTFHAX critical hits at the worst possible moments.
-When the game runs at 4 FPS because there's an acid cloud on the level.
-When the game runs at 4 FPS anyway.
-Being sandwiched between some gravity-altering abomination and the Sandworm Queen in an unstable tunnel.
-The tidal pulse attack that orc high cryomancers have.
-The Shimmering Caves. My anorithil had difficulty there at level 15.

NEW VERSION http://te4.org/blogs/toahero92/2011/03/development-log/updated-beta21

This is just a mod.
You probably won't appreciate this but I do not care.

This modifies the "Rogue" class.

 It gives +20 to all stats.
 It gives all powers. 
 You still have to learn individual powers but you can learn EVERY power.(this includes powers not normally available, including NPC powers) See Note 1
 Talent mastery is 10.
 All Talent Categories are known.
 It also gives you a "Rod of Recall" & an "Orb of Scrying" on birth. See Note 2
 You get 700 unused stats, 600 unused talents/generics, 150 unused talent types.
 You get an "Infusion: Wild" that has a cool-down of 1, lasts 900 turns, reduces damage taken by 900%, and Cures EVERYTHING. See Note 3
 You get a Life rating of 100, a Mana rating of 100, a Mana Regen of 900, and a Max Life of 500.

This mod also adds some files to the techniques folder because when I was digging I found that I was getting some errors because some files could not be found but were referenced in the default game.
NPCs could access these correctly but I could not.

So I fixed that.

The only files that this modifies are the files:

 "..\game\modules\tome\data\birth\classes\rogue.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\data\talents\misc\npcs.lua"

The files added are:

 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\other\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\technique\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\wild-gift\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\spell\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\chronomancy\other.lua"
 "..\game\modules\tome\talents\corruption\other.lua"

Installation (Place Step 0 wherever you like)

 0:Do nothing.

 1:Unzip the file using a program that can decompress 7zip (.7z) files.

 2:Then extract/copy the entire contents of the file to your T.o.M.E. installation directory.

 3:Overwrite anything it asks you to. [back ups of the original files I have already made and included in the install(as-of "version = {3,9,20}")]

 4:Start up the game and select whatever race you like. (I like to use Human/Cornac)

 5:Select the Rogue Class and Sub-class.

 6:Play the game.

 7:Have fun.

 8:Remember that all credit goes to Nicolas Casalini/"DarkGod" and that I just ctrl+c & ctrl+v really good.

Download Link
http://www.4shared.com/file/obH5WQAK/MyRogueMod.html

Note 1
Some NPC powers cause instant death and/or may not work/cannot be seen.
This is because I didn't add some tags to the rogue that the talent looks for.
For example, "Invoke Tentacle" may not work because I couldn't find a NPC with the tag "GRGGLCK_TENTACLE" and since I could not see the correct context to put the tag in, I didn't put it in.

Note 2
I did this because of a bug (that I could not figure out how to fix) from which you don't get the "Rod of Recall" drop.
I also did this because of a bug that when you birth as a Human Cornac Rogue (with the mod) you don't get a "Orb of Scrying" and have to drag your items to Elise.
I found that annoying.
So to fix them both I force the game to make you spawn with them.

Note 3
You also spawn with a default "Infusion: Wild" & a default "Infusion: Regeneration".
You can get rid of those by right clicking them on the "display talents quick page"

I just discovered something about Windows and gdb under MinGW.

I was playing in svn 2777 and it started to loop on me.

Not having run it "under" gdb I thought I'd try something just to see if it worked. So I opened up my MinGW MSYS command prompt window, and looked at the ps command help. "ps -W" lists Windows processes with their pid's. In this case, t-engine was on Windows pid 1088. So then I started gdb and did "attach 1088" and lo and behold, it neatly attached itself to the looping ToME process and stopped it, ready to debug.

It's not the claustrophobic architecture or the hordes of the undead, it's because the place itself is a jerk. I just finished running the ruins with my lvl 30 Cursed, a cursed who received a voratun greatsword at lvl 20ish. He still takes it out of his pack sometimes to stare at wistfully, "If only you were an axe," he whispers to it nightly. So I enter the ruins and its like entering CRAZY BOB'S VORATUN WAREHOUSE. Just for fun I picked up every voratun weapon I came across and I now have a copy or three of every type of voratun weapon made, oh except NO axes of any variety. If you'd like I can melt down one of my three longswords and try to make you some voratun underpants because damn if I know what else to do with all this. Damn you elven ruins, DAMN YOU!