I completely agree with most points, but you know, most people consider three paragraphs to be a wall of text. Might want to include a TL;DR somewhere.

Don't we have to deal with all orc patrols now instead of having an option to thin them out quite a bit?

So is removing this chunk of gameplay and XP going to make it harder for the races with higher experience requirements to get to the end of the game and final boss and survive? I have never made it past about 3/4 of the ways...

Just wanted to thank you.

so many questions... I have purchased the game in a few places, I have used only one key here (there was no reason to use others before), how do I add the others to my profile? Also, buying the DLC here will I get it on Steam too?

Alternatively, could we all stop going on about this? Darkgod's expressed how uncomfortable he is with all the arguing about the area was making him on both sides; the thread about it on the forums was locked, in a hope that people stop going on and on; he's made a decision to remove and replace it, in the hopes that this would disarm all this nonsense.

Seriously, how long are you going to carry a torch for an area that took up about twenty minutes of a playthrough? Let it be, the literary world will somehow have to live without this amazingly 'emotionally involving' area in a CRPG.

If you feel you have to express your disgust at political correctness gone mad in a world of hypocrisy, take it over to Reddit or somewhere, or perhaps email it to letters@dailymail.co.uk; they appear to love that kind of thing. But at least let it go on here for Darkgod's peace of mind.

Yeah, a little offtop, but it fits very well in this situation:

This winter, an awesome game was released, made over five years by some random people from iichan imageboard (like 4chan of yours). It was originally going to be an eroge (you know, basically porn) but they changed it into a very deep and emotionally touching visual novel, with awesome music, graphics and story. Surprisingly, with it being a hobby project of a bunch of random people, it ended up extremely well. Reception is extremely positive. People here and there are telling stories how this game changed their lives... If you're curious, it's called Everlasting Summer, it's in russian only right now, but community is translating it into english and we hope for an english release in forseeable future.

Well, in this game, probably THE most emotionally touching moment is in one of the story arcs with a rather shy girl, where if you mess up your relationship with her, it ends up with a misunderstanding after you make love, where protagonist leaves her for 15 minutes, and she commits suicide (cuts her veins). The protagonist comes back only in time to hear her dying words, about how she was facing misunderstandings, pity and sorrow for all her life, how she was alone all the time, and just couldn't bear it anymore. He understands what he has done, and eventually realises his life is now meaningless because this was his true love, and because of him it ended up horribly, and thus he commits suicide too, hoping to "meet her there...". There's no "guro" or other kind of nasty pictures shown on the screen - the text and the music creates a huge emotional impact, up to the point that many men confessed crying when reading it. Those are the guys that normally mass murder humanoids in FPSes and laugh at Happy Tree Friends cartoons...

This one ending only (and the game has about 13 endings, about 9 of them unique) already makes the game worth playing, it is such a masterpiece, because it actually teaches people something! The value of a single word, the fragile state of people's psychology. It teaches you to feel for other person, to try to predict how your harsh actions can harm other people beyond your understanding. It teaches you to CARE about people you love, lest you'd be left with a terrible and irreversible outcome. Well, at least it opened my eyes on how I'm ruining my marriage, and other people on forums report how it made them reconsider their actions in their lives too.

Guess what, if this would be released as a commercial product, or actually gain any sort of popularity (and persons who made it would not be anonymous), it would probably be banned for "promoting suicide" in Russia under our laws, and I suspect in other countries too, with it's authors fined or jailed. Because OH MY GOD, A PROTAGONIST COMMITED SUICIDE SO THIS IS WHAT YOU TEACH PEOPLE WHO READ YOUR VISUAL NOVEL!

This is really, really stupid. I can't even begin to comprehend how blind must the people be, those who think that way... I mean, I get it when people are outraged by a game where doing something bad is done for fun - like, Postal series (though even that has it's merit, let him pop heads in the game so he doesn't go popping heads in real life). But when the game tells you a story and clearly shows you something awful, immoral or disgusting, and lets you experience it firsthand - probably even being in the driving seat - isn't this one of the best ways to actually teach gamers about morality? While in absense of such education, games that are deemed to be "clean of taint" actually teach the opposite - how killing is just "earning loot and xp", how killing is fun, taking away any burden of guilt for what is really a horrible act...

When I was very small, and was starting to play PC games, it was at my mother's working place, and I was playing Dark Forces (FPS shooter set in Star Wars universe), and her coworker asked me: "Why are you shooting them (the imperial storm troopers)"? And I answered "Because that's the point of the game!" And he said "What if they have friends? Families? What if that was someone's father or someone's mother in that armor suit? What if that would be your father or mother?" And I said "But if I don't shoot first they'll shoot me!" And he said "But you haven't tried even once! You always shoot first, how can you know they will shoot you first if you never even give them a chance? Isn't that cruel?"...

Of course, this went nowhere, because I trusted him, tried not to shoot, and of course got shot, and told him "See I told you they'd shoot me" but point stays. Moments like these, that let the player experience the reality of what they are playing - the reality of war, the reality of survival in harsh conditions, the reality of "dark arts", the reality of horror, the reality of sorrow and guilt - they are a really important part of a mature story. More than that, they are educational and actually influence people in a good way. They make people reconsider their actions, and influence them beyond the game, by teaching them that there is a moral choice almost in any action we take, and acting carelessly is definetly not mature, and not okay, and can lead to real harm. While games that are "clear" of this, that don't let the player experience anything "naughty" and "nasty" like torture, suicide, mutilation, murder of inoccents, etc. - they just teach you that it's fine to kill, it's no prob, they're enemies, they wear red shirts, they got guns - they can be shot/stabbed with no hesitation, blown up to pieces en masse, and hell, you even get extra goodies if you murder them in a fancy way!... "ULTRA KILL!"... blweh....

PS: Hypocricy everywhere. People revere and praise Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes, yet in no modern adaptaion would you be allowed to screen Holmes using drugs like he does in the books, for basically recreational purposes, noo, that would be deemed "promotion of drug abuse". No, Holmes can only either be a recovering drug addict that regrets his use of drugs and helps other get off drugs (Elementary), or just a smoker (Sherlock) who is, of course, quitting...

PPS: I actually think it's the other way around. This all "unethical" and "immoral" blabber is just a facade, what people really want is to ensure that noone takes the fun away from their game. They want to be able to continue to mass murder thieves, thugs, assasins, necromancers, orcs, goblins, trolls, terrorists, nazis, russkies, maniacs and all sort of other "enemy npcs", without any guilt, without any second thought, they don't want someone to spoil their fun by reminding them that they're actually commiting murder, that they're taking someone's life away from them... Entertainment. Nothing else.

MIDDLE FINGER to all those who complained about Breeding Pits. This dungeon was the most emotionally involving event of the game, the story told there really made an impact on you, at least it did touch me in a personal way... Too bad it has to go because someone was too stupid to grasp it...

Eh...

Maybe this game was better off without Steam?....

PS: Is it possible to mod it back?

The testament to how you weren't afraid to create horrifying scenes of young sedated orcish women being injected with corrupted blood, given regeneration and healing infusions, and having their abdomens subject to chronomantic magic, despite the reactions of others will not be forgotten, and the choice of killing children and babies that would try to kill you when you get older will be missed as well. We'll also miss the loot, the experience, and that occasional solipsist rare orc baby that casted nightmare then inner demons on you to kill you before you killed the other babies and children between you and him.

 ;_;

What's the story with breeding pits?
What was wrong about it?

This is very strange... I love the Faerie race too, and I have never had any problems with the starting area. Mind you, I've only been a Faerie Archmage, so I don't have your experience.

Have you tried posting this question on the appropriate forum thread?
http://forums.te4.org/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=39240

Glad to see another Faerie!

What you talkin' 'bout, Willis? Er, jaccarmac? There is a Mac build on Steam. Works great. Auto-update via Steam works, too, but I highly advise turning it off for this game. Just lost a pretty good mid-level Stone Warden to the 1.1.4 upgrade. Ah, well. Live and learn.